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okay five four three two hey everybody welcome\h
back to need to know and you can stop sending\h\h

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us email now we know we've been away for longer\h
than we normally have and uh we're back it's uh\h\h

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2023 and Ross and I are ready to rumble and we've\h
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fun we're going to be talking about that ndaa the\h
National Defense authorization act that is passed\h\h

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and has some crazy teeth in it we're going to be\h
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the letters that we've gotten from some insiders\h
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we'll answer some comments uh made by our YouTube\h
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but first Ross I want to welcome you I know out\h
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unlike me who's going into winter you're going\h
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it sounds like it's uh it's all gardening at the\h
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be sunshine it's actually pouring down with rain\h
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very recently it's been absolutely Divine I had a\h
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wonderful time with my family and friends and\h
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I have to say looking forward to 2023 being an\h
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lot happening as you know the ndaa that National\h
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the end of the year and the implications\h
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uh what about you you look a lot thinner I have\h
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it's these new new filters you can put on\h
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is I've been trying to get rid of some of that\h
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the pandemic have been sort of struggling to get\h
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and seem to have done that you know uh speaking\h
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lot I spent Christmas in Los Angeles then I my\h
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in the Holiday Bowl which they won 28 to 27 in a\h
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around and drive to San Francisco for New Year's\h
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you is when I was growing up here in the United\h
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the morning I looked outside into my backyard and\h
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now we have talked about many times on this\h
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Southern California area is in the middle of of a\h
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is going to make it go away immediately but it\h
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thrown out there and you could light the whole\h
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way to start the new year you know it's actually\h
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is now getting lots of rain because that means\h
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the cause of the very awful long wet weather\h
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Australia where it's been nothing but flood I I\h
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of my garden that had died because they'd been\h
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of water that's been in the soil but mate you said\h
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a football team called the Ducks did they win and\h
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why is any why do they call it air I I don't know\h
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uh that's where I went to school at the University\h
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went to school at the University of Oregon we even\h
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got history but anyway the Ducks uh had a really\h
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end ended up not going all the way but getting to\h
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dozen or more bowls that they have at the end of\h
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know had never met before we played North Carolina\h
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get a one-point Victory when you scored as many\h
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the refs said we're going to take another look\h
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is one second left on the clock which gave the\h
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I know in Australia you guys call soccer football\h
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that that you know that's your own thing and\h
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is what we think we play here it's actually very\h
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rugby league and we also have Australian football\h
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is also known as the international game football\h
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the great sayings in Australia is too much sport\h
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go ahead no no what I I what I was going to do\h
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I'd done over the Christmas period which is I've\h
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it's about time I tried ce5 because everybody's\h
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somehow attract the phenomenon by meditating\h
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nothing happened I think I've I've I literally\h
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commune with other powers I've I've done I've done\h
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for a four-day Meditation Retreat and I lasted one\h
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my problem I'm just not capable of maintaining\h
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the phenomenon is because uh I can't keep my mouth\h
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allowed listen silent meditation I mean uh I just\h
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silent meditation and right before he left I\h
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you'd made it 24 hours and then fled and I elected\h
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sticking around my son has done week-long silent\h
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more than him so I don't I've never attempted it\h
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already I've proved my YouTube critics who are\h
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and it isn't that you're trying to interrupt\h
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countries and there's that delay and you think the\h
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continuing on it gets confusing but what I was\h
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on here in the United States we were talking\h
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who had a uh uh a heart injury on the uh on the\h
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and and life-saving uh events and so the whole\h
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being debated so there that that is happening and\h
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guess that's it I guess I'm ready to move on\h
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although when we started doing this a year ago\h
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they've swapped it out again UAP is still the\h
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anomalous phenomena what do you think is that\h
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admission that what we're seeing and what's being\h
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not just Ariel it's not just in the sky it's also\h
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the fact that they've changed it to anomalous\h
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that that passes through all three mediums water\h
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a a phrase that's been used that actually captures\h
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saucers that didn't quite make it and frankly\h
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with UFOs which was still flying objects then\h
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always have affection in my heart to call it UFO\h
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broader more responsible and at the same time\h
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from Blue Book uh in that went out of business in\h
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tried to say and I I won't even go into them the\h
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normally resolution office all domain anomaly\h
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deafiest stupidest military acronyms I've heard\h
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not talk about the subject matter that it's it's\h
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which was a much better I think there was an\h
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there to be the UAP jpo joint project office and\h
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just stayed with arrow maybe they'd printed the\h
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it I share with you a fondness for the UAP task\h
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even going back to Blue Book though at least\h
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pronounce Blue Book we know that before Arrow we\h
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wanted that so Arrow I'm gonna go with arrow if\h
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with that so we have the unidentified anomalous\h
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we've got our definitions out of the way let's\h
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explain to our viewers and listeners before we go\h
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in descenzo and I I think a lot of it's behind the\h
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I'll be honest both Bryce and I were waiting for\h
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um uh end of October and I to my incredulity it's\h
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report was meant to be released and there is uh\h
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the uh the Pentagon as to just why that report\h
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breathtaking in my country if a if a committee\h
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public report by a specific date and if it had\h
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would be a big event that there's been a failure\h
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because your Congress is completely tying\h
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even have a speaker nothing seems to be being\h
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McCarthy not sure whether or not he's going to be\h
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um our friend George Knapp pointed this out to us\h
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uh or the returning senators and congressmen\h
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new term of the Congress apparently it also means\h
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rights of access to the various Committees\h
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have the security clearances and so people like\h
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of the people who's championed the ndaa laws he's\h
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of which he has oversight roles in including\h
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subcommittees that have control over the UAP issue\h
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it's kind of pointless having this new legislation\h
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somehow the Congress figured out whether it wants\h
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the mega side of things as the new speaker of\h
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you know that um they you know nobody gets sworn\h
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wait on that but you know what I mean here we\h
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I don't know that I'm that worried about it\h
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to see it happen but you know what this is\h
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um I think the bigger issue of course is that some\h
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this UAP classified information we're actually\h
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reserve judgment and hope that that happens sooner\h
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folks we also only managed to Output one need\h
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invited by uh Coast to Coast uh with George Knapp\h
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on December 17th and we thought that was just too\h
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17th December 17th rather was the five-year\h
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and it just seemed like an appropriate time and\h
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had brought and what 2023 may have in store for\h
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to Coast to Coast we're sorry that you missed that\h
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um overwhelming uh just trying to you know make\h
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be honest with you once a week uh would put\h
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maybe twice a month is is about our speed and\h
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it let's just do it once a month and you were\h
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well look the other thing too is I mean I think\h
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both of us aspire to make what we're doing as a\h
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reported the Russian military have acknowledged\h
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that a quote UFO a ball of some kind was seen\h
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that it was brought down by Russian fire uh so\h
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academy and the reason I said we wanted a bigger\h
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academy rich but I wanted the academy to be able\h
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and fund the need to know show that we have and\h
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larger amount of funds available to do uh travel\h
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able to do with the when Channel 7 helped us out\h
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trying to keep this on the air but but it is true\h
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interest is consuming itself in a in a kind of a\h
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themes in there in in their philosophy but they're\h
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objective analysis here of a mystery nobody's\h
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aliens indeed some people are hinting that it\h
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around the world are being more open about that\h
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no longer aerial phenomena it's a momentous time\h
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thought Bryce yeah I think the the momentous ndaa\h
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some emphasis is because I've been rewriting one\h
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at the holiday break over Christmas New Year is\h
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the back end of my book in plain sight because\h
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so much that has happened in the news uh that\h
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pace has been so intense and so I I think one of\h
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ndaa but respond to the infighting and spiteful\h
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other social media to the simple fact that there's\h
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that's been very very positive yeah there is a lot\h
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fight on UFO Twitter or Twitter in general that\h
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anymore and I try to I try to not have too much of\h
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in plan sight being put out as an American Edition\h
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your book and have with a number of people but\h
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much easier when it's here and I I look forward to\h
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you've got so much to update since uh the time\h
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on that if we can if I can just uh do a quick uh\h
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topic since dark skies and what we've come up with\h
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scripted podcast that I've just completed the\h
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market with it right now but undeniable I I don't\h
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from the future it's a 30-minute newscast from\h
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where something has happened that clearly pushes\h
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where we're sure that something is going on and it\h
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on Earth so that's been really fun it involves a\h
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so literally um in addition to fighting with the\h
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rested and ready but first i'm not tan and I\h
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ready let's do this should we talk NDA hey let's\h
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best way to do this why don't I just read what\h
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subsection in this new legislation so this is\h
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anomalous phenomena reporting procedures\h
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one establishment the Secretary of Defense acting\h
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with the Director of National Intelligence shall\h
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reporting of a any event relating to unidentified\h
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legislation I think it well first of all I mean\h
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core the reason people are excited is it provides\h
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in this topic for a while you know if you're going\h
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crash craft I suppose you might be talking about\h
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if if we've come to this place where our Congress\h
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drafts of this legislation but it's interesting\h
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legislation and who who championed it through\h
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Marco Rubio who's republican from Florida and\h
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of the house are championing legislation that is\h
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community and indeed private contractors own up to\h
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past so as a great example would be when we needed\h
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committee which was the senate committee uh that\h
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when they started such as operation MK Ultra that\h
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location of retrieved craft and I mean the amazing\h
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non-human intelligence derived technology but but\h
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intention here for another project Mongoose to be\h
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access programs so there's no intention that\h
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admit to the basics it really offends me I just\h
wanted to throw one quote out that came out of our\h\h

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friend Jeremy Corbell in this uh same interview\h
he said weird because I just thought this was\h\h

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such a concise way to say it we are talking about\h
official likely illegal government programs that\h\h

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have been studying the UFO puzzle substantially\h
physically and scientifically in secrecy okay so\h\h

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for me a start would be let's just admit that you\h
know you don't have to tell me the names of every\h\h

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program you don't have to uh you know uh bring\h
a piece of a crashed wreckage onto the Tonight\h\h

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Show so that Jimmy Fallon can play around with\h
it you don't have to do that but you do have to\h\h

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at least get us in the game and and I wonder and\h
I just want to okay I see you want us but I got\h\h

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a question for you go ahead first no I I look and\h
I know this is preaching to the converter but the\h\h

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only point that I wanted to make to what you just\h
said was isn't it bloody ridiculous that we've\h\h

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got a situation where in black and white in the\h
Congressional Record there is now a reference to\h\h

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um back engineering programs in you know which may\h
or may not be back engineering alien technology\h\h

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and there is there is not a jot of interest from\h
the mainstream media I mean I don't I do not for\h\h

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the life of me I do not understand why the New\h
York Times okay I know it's just insane I mean\h\h

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at what point does the editor of a major newspaper\h
go you know what boys we are going to be the ones\h\h

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to break this we are going to put an investigative\h
team onto trying to break this story because when\h\h

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you have in the Congressional Record the Congress\h
taking this issue seriously enough after Decades\h\h

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of duration and referring to material retrieval\h
material analysis reverse engineering r d\h\h

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detection and tracking of uaps at what point does\h
the the editorial management of major news media\h\h

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go wow this is something important and I just want\h
to point out thank you yeah I just want to point\h\h

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out one thing it isn't just in the Congressional\h
Record where of course it is in the Congressional\h\h

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Record but what's astonishing is it's the law\h
the ndaa the National Defense authorization\h\h

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Act was passed by the Senate it was passed by the\h
House of Representatives back when they were able\h\h

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to meet and it was signed by the president it\h
is law so those words that you're reading that\h\h

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we are talking about right now are the law so I\h
also share with you just an astonishment that a\h\h

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convention that should be all the trigger that\h
a conventional news media organization should\h\h

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need it's the law it's shocking let's take a look\h
at it they're not doing it and I had one here's\h\h

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the question I had for you do you think some of\h
the the I just essential craziness zaniness of\h\h

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of Crash wreckage retrieval and all that stuff in\h
there is that why they're having a hard time with\h\h

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this report are they trying to square a circle\h
that they don't know how to square right now\h\h

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no look I've been everybody I'm talking to is\h
telling me that we're tying ourselves in and\h\h

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not about this for no good reason and that it's\h
quite common in the Congress for reports like\h\h

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this to be delayed and In fairness to I think\h
Sean Kirkpatrick the guy who's in charge of the\h\h

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all domain anomaly resolution office poor bugger\h
having to write that into a document every day\h\h

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um In fairness to him I'm told that arrow is\h
incredibly under-resourced and that they're\h\h

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still hiring stuff and that frankly they haven't\h
got a um you know they haven't got sufficient\h\h

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staff to be able to bang a report like this\h
together well then let me let me let me invoke\h\h

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our college Years my friend okay when you had\h
a report due and it was due on Friday and you\h\h

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woke up on Tuesday and said damn it I didn't\h
start that report I better get to it did you\h\h

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go to the professor and say yeah I kind of had a\h
kegger last week and I haven't quite recovered can\h\h

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I have another couple of weeks on it you didn't\h
get to say that you had to buckle down and write\h\h

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the report so I'm saying why do does a college\h
student have to work harder and meet a deadline\h\h

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better than our own government on a matter of such\h
importance that it's in a newly passed law and has\h\h

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been something that it's clear the government has\h
been investigating for eight decades so I give the\h\h

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days of Bryce giving people a pass and I hate to\h
speak to myself in the third person so I apologize

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I think we formally we formally make it that\h
Ron Moultrie who's the guy responsible from\h\h

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USD for all of this um let's give Ron Moultrie\h
an F no matter what happens we're not going to\h\h

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give it a pass Mark the UAP report officially\h
receives a fail it receives a fail and by the\h\h

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way on the topic I agree with you very much on\h
the topic of Moultrie as I understand it in the\h\h

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reporting structure of this current ndaa Moultrie\h
is not the accountable person for uh reporting on\h\h

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this it seems to me that it's Lloyd Austin who's\h
the Secretary of Defense and it's um Avril Haynes\h\h

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who is the director of National Intelligence\h
which means moultrie's been demoted a little bit\h\h

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well yeah in the past all of the reporting had to\h
go to Moultrie and um I know there's been a lot of\h\h

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controversy about Ron Moultrie even though he's\h
a very highly respected official he does appear\h\h

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to have a very dogmatic and truculent view on the\h
issue of uaps and so now under this legislation\h\h

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the reporting goes I think to the deputy secretary\h
of defense I think her name is Kathleen Hicks and\h\h

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she was notable because she's the woman who last\h
year as a very senior official of the Department\h\h

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of Defense made the very noteworthy order to all\h
Personnel that they were now under an obligation\h\h

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to report UAP incidents and so she's noteworthy in\h
the sense that she signaled a change of attitude a\h\h

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change of mood inside the Pentagon a willingness\h
to actually be seen to be investigating this\h\h

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phenomenon and look just so you know Bryce it's\h
not all good news in the ndaa the lawyer in me\h\h

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has been looking at some of these Clauses there's\h
a is a subsection called sharing of information\h\h

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which requires among other things prompt sharing\h
within the office and it says that the Secretary\h\h

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of Defense shall ensure that the mechanism for\h
authorized reporting provides for the sharing\h\h

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of an authorized disclosure to personnel\h
and supporting analysts and scientists of\h\h

391
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the office that's the office that will be doing\h
this investigation work into uaps regardless of\h\h

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the classification of information contained in the\h
disclosure or any non-disclosure agreements unless\h\h

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unless the employees or contractors administering\h
the mechanism under paragraph three conclude that\h\h

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the preponderance of information available\h
regarding the disclosure indicates that the\h\h

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observed object and Associated events and\h
activities likely relate to a special Access\h\h

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program or compartmented Access program that as of\h
the date of the disclosure has been explicitly and\h\h

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clearly reported to the Congressional defense\h
committees or the Congressional intelligence\h\h

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committees and is documented as Meeting those\h
criteria could you put that in English and I\h\h

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don't care if it's Australian English just put\h
it in something I can understand there's an out\h\h

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there for say there's a dastardly Corporation\h
or a dastardly section of the defense department\h\h

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let's say oh gee the Air Force let's say the\h
Air Force has got a secret group that's been\h\h

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hiding a retrieve Flying Saucer buried at\h
the back of Edwards Air Force Base somewhere\h\h

403
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so long as they can prove or how does the wording\h
go so unless they conclude that the preponderance\h\h

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of information available indicates that it's\h
been properly reported to the Congress and I\h\h

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presume that means reported to the gang of eight\h
which is the the most super sensitive secrets in\h\h

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the U.S only have to be reported under waived\h
unacknowledged special access programs to the\h\h

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gang of eight which includes the speaker the\h
House Majority Leader the House minority leader\h\h

408
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and the end also in the Senate so long as it's\h
properly done that way this legislation won't\h\h

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require it to be reported to the arrow and that's\h
a problem in my book because I don't think we can\h\h

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trust these people to make the judgment on the\h
preponderance of evidence that oh gee I reckon\h\h

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we've complied Joe what do you reckon I mean\h
we're stuck in an envelope and left it on the\h\h

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floor in the Senate select committee about two\h
or three years ago you know I re I reckon we've\h\h

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fulfilled I reckon we've fulfilled all of our\h
obligation [Laughter] there are there are other\h\h

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obligations here that are quite good too though\h
Bryce there's um there's a requirement that less\h\h

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than 70 not later than 72 hours after it's been\h
determined that an authorized disclosure relates\h\h

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to a restricted access activity a special Access\h
program that has not been explicitly and clearly\h\h

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reported to the Congressional defense committees\h
or the Congressional intelligence committees the\h\h

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secretary shell reports such disclosure to such\h
committees in the Congressional leadership so\h\h

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what they take away with one hand they give balls\h
with another so I'm not quite sure what to do you\h\h

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know here's part of the problem we're relying\h
on that uh to 72 hours to be a real 72 hours\h\h

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um it would be a lot easier to believe that they\h
were going to follow the 72-hour rule if they'd\h\h

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followed the every by October 31st rule you're\h
going to have a report out on UAP so if they can\h\h

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miss one deadline they can probably miss another\h
so that doesn't give me confidence um something\h\h

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though that did strike me about Jeremy corbell's\h
interview and I know Jeremy's a controversial guy\h\h

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but he he certainly has sources and he's he's\h
got opinions about what he's being told and one\h\h

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of the things he said in that interview he uses\h
the phrase direct knowledge so presumably when\h\h

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somebody has direct knowledge they've talked\h
to somebody who they think is a pretty Solid\h\h

428
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Source uh Jeremy says uh he has direct knowledge\h
that the process that we're talking about has\h\h

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already started and he says multiple individuals\h
have recently come forward on record about UFO\h\h

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exploitation programs and physical hardware and\h
he says he's also aware of specific UFO related\h\h

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holding locations so if these things are sort of\h
working their way into the system the thing about\h\h

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those things is they don't tend to easily work\h
their way out of the system it's harder to get\h\h

433
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them into the system before Congress now I know\h
Congress looks pretty dysfunctional right now but\h\h

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the house is always more dysfunctional than the\h
Senate and we've got some Senators um who don't\h\h

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look like they're prepared to to Grant a pass to\h
anybody on this thing so maybe maybe this year\h\h

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so there is a bit of a question mark about\h
this legislation because one of the other\h\h

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things it does is it um it actually doesn't\h
carry the original mechanisms of oversight\h\h

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that were independent of the defense department\h
uh originally in the legislation you were going\h\h

439
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to have the um I think the general Accounting\h
Office which is a fantastic government Department\h\h

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independent from all the other government\h
departments overseeing the propriety of the\h\h

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mechanisms to make sure that the UAP laws were\h
properly heated and unfortunately in the drafts\h\h

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that have come through and finally come through\h
for approval in the Congress there's now it's kind\h\h

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of been put back to the um the department to the\h
defense department to come up with the mechanism\h\h

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that will be put in place and they only have to\h
report in six months time uh in the middle of\h\h

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this year they have to report to the Congressional\h
defense committees the Congressional intelligence\h\h

446
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committees a report detailing the mechanism for\h
authorized reporting that has been established\h\h

447
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under the um paragraph one that I read out earlier\h
which is the the Whopper paragraph that requires\h\h

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reporting on all of these UAP phenomena so frankly\h
if they're not reporting for six months into this\h\h

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year the mechanism that they plan to put in place\h
to actually control how this reporting is done\h\h

450
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if the Congress hasn't stipulated that in this\h
legislation there's going to be another delay in\h\h

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getting that legislation uh mechanism stipulated\h
before the Congress before it actually starts\h\h

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working properly now I'm told it's too gloomy\h
and pessimistic to say it like I read it here in\h\h

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the legislation I'm told that in reality already\h
committees are hearing witnesses that what Jeremy\h\h

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is saying is right I've heard from my own sources\h
that they've been approached to give evidence and\h\h

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that there is already a requests being made\h
to witnesses to come forward to give evidence\h\h

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that then brings into question the protections\h
that are put in place to protect those Witnesses\h\h

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because you'll remember originally there was going\h
to be a civil right where Witnesses were basically\h\h

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given a protection and that protection is in this\h
legislation there is a Prohibition on reprisals\h\h

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and it says that an employee of a department\h
or an agency of the federal government or of\h\h

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a contractor subcontractor grantee subgrantee or\h
personal services contractor of such a department\h\h

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of agent or agency who has authority to take or\h
direct others to take recommend or approve any\h\h

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Personnel action shall not with respect to such\h
Authority take or fail to take or threaten to take\h\h

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or fail to take a Personnel action including the\h
revocation or suspension of security clearances\h\h

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or termination or employment of employment with\h
respect to any individual as a reprisal for any\h\h

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unauthor for any authorized disclosure under\h
this legislation so there's a protection put in\h\h

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place nominally to protect the whistleblowers\h
but unfortunately again whereas in the draft\h\h

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legislation they had the oversight of the GAO\h
to make sure that it was going to be properly\h\h

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regulated it's up to now the defense secretary and\h
the Director of National Intelligence Avril Haynes\h\h

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to establish procedures so the the Congress is\h
essentially but passed the role of deciding what\h\h

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those procedures will be to basically that the cat\h
with the cream the Pentagon and I've got a problem\h\h

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with that you know it's not all good news uh but I\h
do uh love to hear you read bureaucratic language\h\h

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there's just something about airing it with an\h
Australian accent that somehow gets in here and\h\h

473
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out there better uh listen I've got uh good news\h
and bad news uh for us the uh bad news is we're\h\h

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out of time the good news is we have so much stuff\h
we didn't get to that we start out with a leg\h\h

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ahead on the next one so folks we'll probably be\h
back in two weeks instead of uh longer and uh Russ\h\h

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before we go I just wanted to do uh the one part\h
that we talked about doing which is the updates\h\h

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for people who write us on our YouTube page and\h
say what about and we each have a what about and\h\h

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we should each do a quick Maya Culp on it your\h
what about is what's going on with the metal\h\h

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sphere investigation with Gary Nolan that's what\h
everybody wants to know yeah absolutely and and uh\h\h

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it's very interesting because everybody seems to\h
think that they've got an absolute right to know\h\h

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everything right away and you bloody well don't\h
uh we'll we'll tell you when we're good and ready\h\h

482
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um the bottom line is the uh the research will\h
be done when Gary gets the lab access that he\h\h

483
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needs to do not only the materials analysis of\h
the actual metal content of the ball but also\h\h

484
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an ability to actually scan and inspect the\h
inside of the object and what's complicated\h\h

485
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the issue and Gary's spoken about this publicly\h
you'll find this on my Twitter feed if you look\h\h

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um is that uh we're now aware of as many as\h
six or seven of these objects um that that\h\h

487
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there are people willing for these things to be\h
scientifically tested and investigated so it's\h\h

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not a simple question of just one sphere and also\h
the other thing is the owner won't let us cut it\h\h

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open so the obvious way of resolving what it is\h
and how it operates if that operates at all is\h\h

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just to hack it open but in order to investigate\h
it to do the kind of materials analysis you work\h\h

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you need you need an extremely good laboratory\h
and we were hopeful that we'd be able to get a\h\h

492
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:50,100
laboratory would do that that would do this work\h
within a matter of months but we can't and we're\h\h

493
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:55,200
waiting on access to one that will give us the\h
uh the kind of information and materials analysis\h\h

494
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:02,520
and scan capacity that we need and if and when\h
we get that we will definitely report on it let\h\h

495
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:09,540
me do a follow-up then if um of those six or\h
seven other bets balls that come to light uh\h\h

496
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:14,760
one of those owners said yeah I don't give a damn\h
cut the damn thing open uh would you cut it open\h\h

497
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,100
oh damn right we would but then there's a\h
question of whether or not the laboratory that\h\h

498
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:25,200
because there's a there's a legal liability here\h
because we don't know what's inside these things\h\h

499
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:31,860
I'm afraid that if you cut it open you're going\h
to blow up Stanford I know well there is that\h\h

500
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:36,720
issue and I mean frankly you can't be frivolous\h
about this because no um you know we don't know\h\h

501
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:41,400
what's inside it might have some kind of power\h
source that is possibly radioactive we don't know\h\h

502
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,380
let's let's say to our audience that that it's\h
being looked into we haven't forgotten about it\h\h

503
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:54,120
you're on it Gary Nolan's on it you know progress\h
is moving ahead at its own rate yeah and and look\h\h

504
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,680
to the tinfoil hat crazies who think that there's\h
some kind of cover-up crazy crazy cover-up going\h\h

505
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,440
on there ain't it's um follow the maxim that I've\h
always followed as a journalist always assume a\h\h

506
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:10,980
screw-up before uh you're assuming all of us who\h
like to wear a tin foil hat are crazy now some of\h\h

507
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:18,180
us like the word tenth will happen because it's\h
a style choice right and uh uh I've got to throw\h\h

508
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:23,880
one back at you on the other yeah okay you'll\h
remember in our documentary that we made with\h\h

509
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:30,540
Channel 7 Australia you told the incredible story\h
uh or in fact your very very good friend told\h\h

510
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:40,680
an incredible story of the two Navy Intelligence\h
Officers and one of them drew a formula on a paper\h\h

511
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:49,560
and said sound light and frequency the secrets\h
of the universe right and what happened to that\h\h

512
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:57,960
formula well here's many people I mean most of\h
most questions on that particular documentary\h\h

513
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,480
seem to uh come around this first of all\h
Ross and I uh did not do the final edit\h\h

514
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,880
the people who did were at Channel 7 and so\h
they kind of didn't edit in a resolution to\h\h

515
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:15,900
what happened with that note the note itself is\h
still missing okay I laid eyes on it Brett had it\h\h

516
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:22,380
uh Brent Friedman my Dark Skies uh co-creator\h
uh Brad Markowitz one of our staff people had\h\h

517
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:27,840
seen it uh Brent's wife saw it I mean we all\h
saw the guy write it and whatever photograph\h\h

518
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:37,740
this is 1996 and we did not have cell phones in\h
our pockets um so now ubiquity it's the ubiquity\h\h

519
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:41,640
of cell phones these days that makes us think\h
there must have been a photograph absolutely\h\h

520
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:48,180
I mean and I I say that with you know I'm not\h
happy that I don't have it the reason uh this\h\h

521
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:54,240
thing escalated anyway is I said to Brent last\h
year uh damn it man you've had it for 25 years I\h\h

522
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,320
need to see it because I want to write about it I\h
want to show it to Ross I want to show it to some\h\h

523
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:04,320
other people and Brent thought it had been in his\h
um it you know that he had put it in a lock box\h\h

524
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:12,240
um and it wasn't there now we don't think anyone\h
took that we think that in his moving from uh one\h\h

525
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,400
behind the scenes in his moving it got put in\h
another box he's looking for it we hope to find\h\h

526
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:23,940
it I I just though have been thinking a lot uh\h
about what it actually said I don't think it's a\h\h

527
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:32,340
legitimate scientific equation at least in my head\h
I almost remember it as um you know uh s l f x for\h\h

528
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:40,440
frequency or fq for frequency equals um so too\h
you know secret of the universe it was that kind\h\h

529
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,720
of simplistic thing so I don't know that it could\h
be analyzed I just know that this guy said it and\h\h

530
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,980
we all saw it and we thought he was credible and I\h
in the same way that you're going to follow it up\h\h

531
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:55,620
I'm still on it I hope to find it someday Brent\h
and I are looking for it when we find it I will\h\h

532
00:55:55,620 --> 00:56:02,220
hold it up to that camera and show it to everybody\h
because I I think we should emphasize nobody wants\h\h

533
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:09,180
that buddy formula more than you and I I I'm\h
just dying uh and I feel sorry that I you know\h\h

534
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:15,720
we didn't have it I feel bad that we didn't put in\h
our show why we didn't have it um but now now you\h\h

535
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:23,700
know and it's time for us to move on so listen uh\h
We've uh we've we're back on the boards it's 2023\h\h

536
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:30,000
we're we're making some noise again and I I hope\h
that we continue to do it it's been um I would\h\h

537
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,480
have to say that 2022 was really an education for\h
me because I had to bring my game up to sit here\h\h

538
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,360
on camera with someone like yourself who has done\h
so much incredible investigative recent work and\h\h

539
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,880
it's really helped me a lot and I I'm beginning\h
to see this whole issue in ways that I never did\h\h

540
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:54,180
before so um hopefully we'll be able to talk a lot\h
more about that this year I think it's a fitting\h\h

541
00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:57,960
closer for us Bryce to make reference to the\h
fact because we've been getting one of the other\h\h

542
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,160
queries I wanted to follow up with you was on\h
your dark sky series because a lot of people have\h\h

543
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,280
heard about your dark sky series and they don't\h
know where to watch it sure and it did strike me\h\h

544
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:14,580
um in in conjunction with mentioning your Dark\h
Skies series which I think is one of the best\h\h

545
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:23,040
um fictional explainers of the possible conspiracy\h
that's gone on behind the scenes here I wanted to\h\h

546
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:30,000
leave with asking you you know do you think that\h
sometimes with fiction what you've been doing in\h\h

547
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,420
Hollywood through your work as a screenwriter and\h
producer do you think sometimes with Fiction it's\h\h

548
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:43,020
an easier and better way to explore the possible\h
or likely conspiracies that have gone on behind\h\h

549
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:50,100
the UAP subject than it is to try and investigate\h
it through proper objective non-fictional rigorous\h\h

550
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:56,280
scientific inquiry that's a tough one because\h
I've lived on both sides of the equation as a as a\h\h

551
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:02,640
reporter myself and then as a creator of TV series\h
look my preference would be uh the journalistic\h\h

552
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,100
solution I would rather uh journalistic uh\h
knowledge come out be debated about uh where it\h\h

553
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:16,860
came from and uh subjected to investigation uh on\h
the other hand um I I think that it is true during\h\h

554
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:22,140
this cover-up that we've lived through for the\h
last 80 years uh many truths have been floated as\h\h

555
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:30,120
fiction and that was actually um something that we\h
did at Dark Skies we started um the entire premise\h\h

556
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:36,960
of the show was the truth had to be told under\h
the cover of fiction and so possibly um the longer\h\h

557
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,120
answer to your question I think is that sometimes\h
it does have to happen I'm certainly doing it now\h\h

558
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,920
with the undeniable project and some of the other\h
things that I'm working on we certainly did it\h\h

559
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,200
with dark skies and you know uh one thing I'd\h
like to put out there is that this is probably\h\h

560
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:58,560
a whole show that we should probably uh pick one\h
of those dates in the very near future and and\h\h

561
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,760
do a deep dive on Dark Skies because there's so\h
many things I haven't actually been able to talk\h\h

562
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,640
to people about and I know they're very interested\h
in it so I'd like to maybe maybe we can turn the I\h\h

563
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,980
remember we had uh one episode where I interviewed\h
you about in play in sight maybe uh we'll do one\h\h

564
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:19,980
where you and I talk Dark Skies for a while but I\h
just one thing you haven't told me there is where\h\h

565
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:25,800
can people watch Dark Skies if they want to watch\h
that's a well okay you can't stream it right now\h\h

566
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,660
it's not streaming anywhere it isn't because it's\h
suppressed I don't think I think it's because it's\h\h

567
00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:37,080
in the four by three ratios as opposed to 16\h
9 and so possibly some streamers would need it\h\h

568
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:44,280
um you know rescanned or something but there is\h
a way to see it you there's a beautiful um DVD\h\h

569
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:49,680
set put out for Dark Skies it's called Dark Skies\h
calling the Declassified series remember though\h\h

570
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:55,740
and you can get it for a good price um I don't\h
make any money from it so I can I can pitch it you\h\h

571
00:59:55,740 --> 01:00:02,520
can get it from Amazon in The Usual Suspects um\h
just remember one thing I did a TV series for Dark\h\h

572
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:12,780
Skies on NBC in 1996 and 1997. that's the DVD set\h
I'm talking about in 2013 Harvey Weinstein made it\h\h

573
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:19,140
a movie called Dark Skies that's not my movie\h
I didn't do that so I'm asking people to go I\h\h

574
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:25,620
know it would have to be Harvey Weinstein wouldn't\h
it um so anyway yeah Dark Skies the Declassified\h\h

575
01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:32,340
series you can get it as a DVD set it's got uh\h
four hours of documentary on it it's got Easter\h\h

576
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:37,140
eggs on it and I actually think it's a pretty\h
good watch so yeah thanks for bringing that up\h\h

577
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:44,940
um I got a letter recently very similar\h
to the John loengard letter in Dark Skies\h\h

578
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:53,220
and I'll just read you a paragraph I will warn\h
you the information I can provide it's dangerous\h\h

579
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:59,460
it's led to countless individuals losing their\h
lives over something I will not go into detail\h\h

580
01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:05,820
excessively about as long as you're prepared to\h
push as long as you're prepared to not back down\h\h

581
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:13,260
even in the face of threats or cower withdraw\h
from investigating I admire your search for the\h\h

582
01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:18,660
truth as I'm sure many others will have stated\h
to you previously once you're comfortable enough\h\h

583
01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:25,380
to engage I'll happily work around whatever\h
means you'd like in order to discuss further\h\h

584
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:33,660
you're going to be left in awe at times others\h
I'd expect nothing more than extensive questioning\h\h

585
01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:43,680
for clarity and understanding the cover-up is\h
extensive that is a great tease okay I think we\h\h

586
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:49,620
have our next show on our next show Ross is going\h
to do a deep dive on what that letter said and you\h\h

587
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:53,640
brought up the loan guard letter I'm going to read\h
it then we're saying goodbye uh this is the letter\h\h

588
01:01:53,640 --> 01:02:00,480
that went with the Dark Skies pilot it's from a\h
person named John lone guard it says Bryce and\h\h

589
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,420
Brent the truth must be told you have been chosen\h
as instruments to achieve this objective the truth\h\h

590
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:11,520
however must not be represented as truth too\h
many people who are needed in the struggle will\h\h

591
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:17,100
die the cover of fiction must be used to present\h
this truth those who fear the light will not want\h\h

592
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:23,280
to bring attention to you by allowing your death\h
this is the only way do not be afraid the fight\h\h

593
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:30,120
for Humanity demands your courage John lowengard\h
so they're both I mean mine's a little hyperbolic\h\h

594
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:37,560
I'll explain that in our next show yours strikes\h
uh man I gotta I gotta go have a drink and calm\h\h

595
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:42,060
down after hearing uh that one from you so full\h
folks that's what we're going to do next time\h\h

596
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,100
and I mean that's my thought that I wanted to\h
leave people with is that people like Bryce and\h\h

597
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:52,980
I we are getting people coming forward saying\h
they want to talk they they've got evidence\h\h

598
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:58,860
they want to reveal it and they're prepared to\h
testify before the congressional committees if\h\h

599
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:05,280
they get that opportunity and 2023 is the\h
year where that is going to start to happen\h\h

600
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,800
say goodnight Ross good night all we\h
can handle the truth People Get Ready

601
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:24,420
alrighty there there when you were talking\h
about what was the question Ross asked you Bryce\h\h

602
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,200
I don't remember John lion God I asked\h
him no before that before that before that\h\h

603
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:37,140
uh there was a couple of little freezes yes

604
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:46,560
go on me I saw him yeah I saw him\h
on wrong I saw a freeze on Bryce and\h\h